User talk:Sgeier

TCL & Tk, or TCL/Tk?

A question for someone who clearly knows more about TCL than I...Is TCL's graphical combination with Tk normally considered its own language, or is Tk considered a library? If the former, then it makes more sense for GUI TCL snippets to link to Tcl in their section titles, and list Tk as a library. If the latter, then it makes sense for GUI TCL snippets to link to TCL/Tk. --Short Circuit 22:48, 14 February 2007 (EST)

I fear the answer to all these questions is "yes" ;-) To me, It's always been "TCL/Tk", that is, I rarely use TCL without Tk. On windows, I use Tclkit because it's handy - one single file, can be wrapped up with a couple hundred k of code of whatever I've been writing and a bunch of libraries into a single standalone kit and still fits on a floppy. On Linux I'll sometimes use Tcl alone, i.e. in situations where I might not want or use a GUI, but the GUI aspect is always pretty close. There is, however, such a thing as tclsh (or tclkitsh) which are non-GUI, and people use them that way. And in a sense Tk stands by itself and is even used in other languages (like Perl/Tk or Python/Tkinter). But in those cases it is perceived more of a library while in TCL's case it's really more of an integral aspect of the language itself. It's a gradual thing, I suppose. But strictly speaking [set var value] is Tcl, [puts $var] is Tcl, and [pack [label .l -text $var]] is Tk, even though it follows Tcl syntax. So in my own little world I'd say GUI examples involving Tcl should be "category Tcl/Tk" (which can the redirect to Tcl since it's really the same thing at some level). But I'm entirely open to alternative suggestions. A thread on comp.lang.tcl might be instructive?

TCL capitalization

Is TCL normally capitalized as an acronym, or is it capitalized as a word (e.g. "Tcl")? --Short Circuit 22:48, 14 February 2007 (EST)

I have no clue :-) I personally use "TCL" most of the time, but I also use "Tcl". Google gives me 31 million hits on "TCL" and 30.9 million hits on "Tcl" so I guess it's a wash. I guess haggling over spelling isn't "the TCL way". In a wiki, "The TCL way" would be to have pages for "TCL", "Tcl" and "tcl" (and the various combinations with "Tk or "tk") and have them all forward/redirect to the same thing. If TCL is about anything then it is about radical simplicity and "things usually just doing what you expect"... (and is it common to reply to things right here? Or should I reply on your user talk page?)Sgeier 23:38, 14 February 2007 (EST)