Talk:Bacon cipher: Difference between revisions
Standardisation supports the Rosetta values of enhanced insight and help for learners. A standard text plus the option of an additional mystery text ?
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: I could see standardizing some aspects of the task. Perhaps requiring a specific text (either to encrypt or to hold the encrypted text or both), for example. Though I could also see it being more interesting with variation being either allowed or specified. But the font aspect is something of a problem - if you seriously wanted font support, you should first implement a Rosetta Code task which involves multiple fonts. But since there's no file upload capability, the only way to see correctness would be to render to html or wiki-markup. So that might be a dead-end. So perhaps for this task we should just standardize on using letter case in place of font? --[[User:Rdm|Rdm]] ([[User talk:Rdm|talk]]) 19:36, 10 September 2015 (UTC)
:: Scanning quickly through Rosetta's 3 goals as a kind of checklist
:::# '''"as many different languages as possible"''' – the task is already good in this respect
:::# '''"demonstrate how languages are similar and different"''' – requiring a specific text would make comparison easier and more revealing. (And wouldn't exclude a second text for optionally added mystery :-)
:::# '''"aid a person with a grounding in one approach to a problem in learning another"''' (as above – comparing like with like is a value for the learner) – perhaps also explicitly encourage explanatory comments ? [[User:Hout|Hout]] ([[User talk:Hout|talk]]) 11:55, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
:: +1 on a change to specify the use of upper/lower case to hide the message instead of the font change to make the task easily representable on RC and focus on the other parts of the cipher. --[[User:Paddy3118|Paddy3118]] ([[User talk:Paddy3118|talk]]) 20:55, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
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I have added three points to focus the task without causing too much pain to the authors of existing examples (I hope), and following the discussion above. Comments/corrections welcome :-)
<br> --[[User:Paddy3118|Paddy3118]] ([[User talk:Paddy3118|talk]]) 07:45, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
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I'm not sure I completely understand your wording (or perhaps, word choice):
'' ... must provide an example that uses a change in the case of successive alphabetical characters instead. ''
Now, to me, successive alphabetical characters could be '''AB''', '''RS''', or '''KL''' ... for instance).
<br>Now, in ''changing the case'' of those successive characters ... to what? '''Ab''', '''rS''', ... ?
As I understand the Bacon cipher, only two characters (usually Latin letters for this audience) are used. Once two successive letters (characters) are chosen, I don't see how changing the case could be done; it only makes sense to me if <strike>one</strike> there is a change to the case of a single letter, and that the upper and lower case versions (of a single letter) are the characters chosen for the Bacon cipher.
(I assume the Latin alphabet is being referred to, but could Greek or Cyrillic be used? Or Hebrew? Arabic?)
By the way, did you mean to say, ''successive alphabetical letters'' (instead of ''characters'')? -- [[User:Gerard Schildberger|Gerard Schildberger]] ([[User talk:Gerard Schildberger|talk]]) 08:26, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
: I meant skipping (as in carying through without altering), any non a-z in the text used to hide the message. --[[User:Paddy3118|Paddy3118]] ([[User talk:Paddy3118|talk]]) 09:39, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
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