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What does "non-programming language" mean in this context? --Dmitry-kazakov 07:39, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

HTML and XML are computer languages that focus entirely on data. They are not programming languages. (Note that they can embed source code, but that's a side effect.) —Donal Fellows 08:38, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

The primary focus of the developers isn't to produce a programming language. So sed is an editor as are vim and emacs,bc is a calculator, and m4 a macro processor. The fact that they might accomplish RC tasks doesn't mean that they should be considered as programming languages. Shades of grey. --Paddy3118 09:17, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

But the examples of this category are HTML, JSON, SGML, SVG and XML. Their distinguishing feature is that they are not programming languages at all; it happens that they're all data description languages (and yes, can describe or embed programs). —Donal Fellows 09:33, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

In what sense HTML and XML are not programming languages? Computers are programmed. Data is an input or output of a program. I cannot tell what do you mean under "focusing on data". Probably, it is just a confusion with declarative versus imperative approaches to programming. Languages using either declarative or imperative approach are still programming ones. Anyway, so long a language is a computer language it does program that computer. The text in any computer language is called program. So in what sense a computer language can be non-programming? P.S. Note that for HTML/XML, the source code is the text in HTML/XML correspondingly. Just per definition: the source code of a program is a stored text in the language the program was written. --Dmitry-kazakov 09:34, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

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 The primary focus of the developers isn't to produce a programming language. So sed is an editor as are vim and emacs,bc is a calculator, and m4 a macro processor. The fact that they might accomplish RC tasks doesn't mean that they should be considered as programming languages. Shades of grey.  --[[User:Paddy3118|Paddy3118]] 09:17, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 : But the examples of this category are HTML, [[JSON]], SGML, [[SVG]] and XML. Their distinguishing feature is that they are not programming languages ''at all''; it happens that they're all data description languages (and yes, can describe or embed programs). —[[User:Dkf|Donal Fellows]] 09:33, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
+In what sense HTML and XML are not programming languages? Computers are programmed. Data is an input or output of a program. I cannot tell what do you mean under "focusing on data". Probably, it is just a confusion with ''declarative'' versus ''imperative'' approaches to '''programming'''. Languages using either declarative or imperative approach are still programming ones. Anyway, so long a language is a '''computer''' language it does ''program'' that computer. The text in any computer language is called ''program''. So in what sense a computer language can be non-programming? P.S. Note that for HTML/XML, the source code is the text in HTML/XML correspondingly. Just per definition: the source code of a program is a stored text in the language the program was written. --[[User:Dmitry-kazakov|Dmitry-kazakov]] 09:34, 6 July 2009 (UTC)